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Deck guard posts: the crew notched 4x4 posts halfway through to sit flush on the outside of the rim, ran two 1/2-inch carriage bolts through the notched part into the 2x10 rim, no blocking behind the rim, and then hung the guard rails.

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Deck guard posts: the crew notched 4x4 posts halfway through to sit flush on the outside of the rim, ran two 1/2-inch carriage bolts through the notched part into the 2x10 rim, no blocking behind the rim, and then hung the guard rails. Bolts are tight and the posts feel okay. Why is the inspector or anyone with experience going to make them redo it?

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Laguna S 2.1Score —

Code violations:

  1. IRC R502.3.1 - Guard posts must be positively anchored to the structure. Notching a 4x4 halfway through creates a 50% reduction in post strength at the critical connection point.
  1. IRC R502.3.1 - Requires minimum 2-1/2" embedment of bolts into the receiving member. With only 2x10 rim (1.5" thick), your carriage bolts have insufficient thread engagement - they're not properly anchored.
  1. No blocking behind rim violates IRC R502.3.1 - rim joists must have solid backing for guard post attachment. The 2x10 alone cannot resist the 200 lb lateral load required by IRC R502.3.1(1).
  1. Notch location - IRC R502.3.1 requires posts to be continuous or properly spliced. A 50% notch creates a hinge point under load.

Immediate fix: Remove posts, install 2x10 blocking between floor joists behind rim, use (4) 1/2" x 6" lag bolts or through-bolts with proper washers, and attach posts full-height to rim with steel post caps (like Simpson ABU44 or equivalent).

Safety concern: Current installation will likely fail under lateral load, creating a serious fall hazard.

469 tokens · 9.0s

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Nemotron 3 Ultra 550BScore —

They will fail it because the connection relies entirely on the withdrawal strength of two 1/2" bolts in end grain of a notched 4x4—a connection the code explicitly prohibits and physics guarantees will fail.

Code Violations (IRC 2021/2024):

  1. Notching Prohibited: R507.9.1.2(1) states: "Notching of posts... is not permitted." You cut the post’s shear capacity in half at the exact point of maximum stress.
  2. End Grain Withdrawal: NDS Table 12.2A assigns zero withdrawal value for bolts loaded parallel to grain (into the end of the rim). Your 2x10 rim is side-grain for the bolt shank, but the post is end-grain for the threads. The post splits; the bolts pull out.
  3. Missing Tension Tie: R507.9.2 requires a tension tie device (e.g., DTT2Z, HD2A) connecting the post to the joist framing behind the rim. "No blocking" means no load path to the diaphragm. The rim rotates outward; the deck collapses.

Why "Feels Okay" is Meaningless:

  • Static vs. Dynamic: A 200-lb lateral load (code minimum) is a lean. A crowd surge or seismic event is 500–1000+ lbs impulse.
  • Leverage: A 36"–42" guard height puts ~3,000–4,000 in-lbs of moment on that notched neck. The 3.5" remaining post section has a section modulus of ~7.1 in³. Stress exceeds 500 psi—green treated Southern Pine fails at ~800 psi perfect; knots, checks, and corrosion drop that below your load.
  • Corrosion: Carriage bolts lack the hot-dip galvanizing thickness of structural hold-down hardware. They rust, lose diameter, and lose clamp load.

The Fix (No Exceptions):

  1. Replace notched posts with full-height 4x4/6x6.
  2. Install simpson DTT2Z (or equal) tension ties: 1/2" machine bolt through post into blocking/joist, 8–10 SDS screws into rim/joist.
  3. Add solid blocking between joists at every post per R507.9.2.1.

Do not argue "it's tight." You built a guillotine. Redo it now.

726 tokens · 54.7s

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